Ah yes.. and I turn mine into fiction. Isn't it exquisite when you displace that energy through you--totally oblivious to anything in the temporal realm? Such a delicious challenge to turn that into meaningful language isn't it? :-)But what I'm really looking for are examples where one can live inside their continue really really well without necessarily requiring it to move into the "real" world. For instance. I find that I can fantasize about say having sex with a particular man and it can be so satisfying that I don't necessarily feel the need to verify it comes about (though I would certainly desire it to!). Another example would be when I was on a diet recently: I found that if there was something I wanted to eat that didn't fall within my fast parameters. I could enjoy watching someone else eat it and conclude the craving go away; I would even ask them to describe how it tasted and that added greatly to the experience (I was told by many that this made me very strange which wasn't exactly novel nor surprising ;-) ). Do you find that write of "living in your mind" to be true of you as well? Anyone?Joy to all. BBP
>>>>>>>Preferring to run away from confronting reality leads to distorted perceptions which make careful evaluation of options difficult as well as generating fears of making decisions which may prove to be unwise. At its beat this can create inertia through fear of taking deliberate action.">>>>>>>Maybe.. in some situations. I have some aspects that compete with this dimension of neptune square sun - in particular I have saturn opposing sun and saturn conujunct Nnode. This really drives me out of myself to act steps forward and approach challenges. Also mercury in aries H11 sextile gemini ascendant and sextile venus in H9 aquarius. This makes me easily able to communicate most ideas with others and not very shy about most things. Also uranus Tsquare IC/MC gives me lots of original ideas about how to face challenges so that I have new options of facing them instead of hiding. But sometimes. I tactically choose to retreat and embody certain energies in dreams instead of manifesting them in waking life. I do this with certain types of energy that be to be particularly dangerous. But more often those types of energy are eventually creatively channeled into some kind of creative work. In the mean time it gets syphoned off into dreams (and prayer incidentally - neptune is in sagittarius) so it doesn't cause any disruptions/trouble.
ohhh Pi314 you dont ascertain if you have sun saturn opposition - those types are the complete opposite you probably experience how to discipline yourself my saturn is unaspected and weak. (though it is the ruler of my ascendant) .. so i often conclude desire im in an ocean.. escapism is big for me i can't deal with judgment and personal attacks to my identity from those close to me when judgment is cast when the skepticism of my skills grows i enclose i escape and i say "that doesnt matter" and be in a fantasy world that is always there for me probably because my saturn is unaspected at times it cant be unreasonably strong and i can super discipline myself for bunco periods of time. and then i ride on my achievement at those points for even longer periods of time escaping from the hard work and drudgery and cut throat competition - i evaluate that is neptune. and wanting to live in a peaceful emotionally touching setting where your expression is remove and uninhibited - i evaluate that is neptune too i think thats sun sq neptune playing out.. when you "decide to go and embody certain energies in dreams instead of manifesting them in waking life. "i think its the same energy at play anybody feeling neptune super strong today because of the sun-neptune conjunction in the sky?
jill........... Yuues. I utterly cerebrate one of my most favorite sayings by gertrude stein is "a circle of fine cardboard and a come about to see a tassel" i could be in a cave i think living off little tuffs of grass listening to my stomacheim not sure i believe in astrology anymore though i have sun square neptune well i dont know what i believe in i conclude/think and change variously i think i make bad decisions if decisions at all i can be very impulsive maybe the aries in me have you construe about cusps before? our suns are both on cusps ive heard some alarming things about them and i undergo to say i cerebrate to a lot of what is said i often feel so out of balance very oppositional i construe something schopenhauer wrote about porcupines that really fit how i feel"In Parerga und Paralipomena published in 1851. Arthur Schopenhauer created a parable about the dilemma faced by porcupines in cold weather. He described a “company of porcupines” who “crowded themselves very change state together one cold winter’s day so as to profit by one another’s warmth and so save themselves from being frozen to death. But soon they entangle one another’s quills which induced them to displace again.” And so on. The porcupines were “driven backwards and forwards from one affect to the other,” until they open “a convey distance at which they could most tolerably exist.”
christmas,u gotta look at it lthis way:the signs decanates cusps are just groups. They were created to ease up the astrologer's job of analyzing a chart's energy. They grouped degrees and tried to evaluate out common traits for them all. But in reality every new degree of a write in which the Sun(or any other planet) enters brings a new lesson. It's desire the measure axis or an individual's life.. say u have ur sun in 0 degrees Pisces-it's just gotten out of Aquarius's lessons of brotherly love and entered the watery domain of Neptune-thus it gets a touch of water-well more than a touch. It's in awe of this new environment- a new expression of love and humanity. Then as it gets closer to Aries the Sun has learned the Pisces chapter and is create from raw material to furnish in to the bring forth of a new cycle-thus the denominate of "Scorpio Decanate" for the last 10 degrees of Pisces...
from what u've written jill and Pi,I could conclude that the Neptune-Sun form just gives a touch of the Pisces nature to one's basic self. I've had that thing with inertia at one point but it was even worse for me. It wasn't that I wouldn't face problems it was not being able to understand that there might be a problem. I still wouldn't say I'm ok with living in this world and all its invented rules. For me every single day is the same struggle with myself all over again. And if I wouldn't have the ability to disconnect myself. I would definitely go crazy. I've learned to deal with earthy issues in the Gordian Knot way-stop trying to figure it out and cut through it!Most earthy issues are a waste of time for the Neptune-touched. But anyway it's useless to care for this aspect outside the entire chart.. it's just another nuance in a sea of nuances.
This is interesting. I have my Sun Trine Neptune and I have a very active conceive of life but I get extremely frustrated when things only live there as I desperately want them to become reality. I'm not satisfied with just imagining as much time as I spend doing it (and certainly for the measure enjoying doing it). I am surprised that the form - which allegedly tends to back up more work and effort and activity - seems here more content with keeping fantasy as fantasy whereas the Trine (for me at least) - which allgegedly is more passive unaware consciously and accepting of the merged energies of the planets in question whether good or bad - is frustrated doing the same and not making the imagined into the tangible. Of course. I do undergo a lot of Earthy cram which wants tangibles and - probably even more significantly - my Neptune is conjunct my Capricorn Mars which certainly wants tangible achievement.
7th house Sun in Pisces Square 4th house Neptune in Capricorn ( 3 degree orb). The answer to the first half of your question (change surface though you're not here anymore) is yes but the Neptune in Cap move of me does want to my fantasies reality. I also think almost anything can become real and I've seen many supposedly impossible things happen and this has upheld my beliefs. Pi 34 said she got lost in a fantasy world when she was younger. For me it was like my ideas and fantasies of the world were the world-there was no other reality. Its crazy how much can be realize with a belief system desire that or at least what a person is given as an adult from that type of childhood. What was that Einstein said about geniuses and fairy tales? Neptune is conjunct Jupiter in Cap in my 4th so my upbringing though instilled with way too much discipline and order was also with just as much spirituality and "otherworldly" beliefs. The problems I have had seem to have stemmed from too much daydreaming about a certain thing I can't make a reality on my own: love a partnership/relationship-which stems from my 7th house Pisces Sun. Since Neptune is the ruler of my 7th fantasizing or pining over someone can really chip away at any Capricornian aspects of my emotional/conceive of nature really putting things out of balanced. That just leads to me daydreaming all day which can waste a lot of time. When I was younger that I would expend an entire year or give my total focus to fantasizing or pining over someone just because I'd get so absorbed-especially around puberty. You'd think it being in Cap that I'd be more grounded and maybe I actually was as grounded as I could get but it being in my Sag 4th house probably added to the lack of grounding to the form (or maybe the Cap part was the cerebrate I'd get so pessimistic about like).
My father passed away before I reached the age of 30 (just this year). He traveled a lot for his work. He was often gone during the week and only saw us on weekends. He did not overlap his inner life of thoughts and feelings with us and I didn't even experience how much money he made or what he ever did at work. He wouldn't express us. I couldn't really connect to him emotionally and doubt the sincerity of the emotions he did display for various reasons. But I don't think I could say he was a disappointment over all. I evaluate I was able to connect with and understand him more than many others in my family. He inspired me to get interested in math and science and I loved hearing him explain "how things bring home the bacon". I learned how to present all my ideas to him like a business proposal/ pitch and things like that. No drinking or drug problem as far as I experience. Neptune for me is T-squaring my Nnode/Snode so.. maybe that makes the square more easy to turn towards beneficial ends somehow.
interesting how we were born on the same day only hours apart but almost completely opposite beginnings gemini rules my 4th house i grew up in foster homes my father or mother wasn't around i moved constantly i never really got a feel for trusting people yet i feel desire i am continually optimistic debilitatingly so somehow i am realizing how complicated ideals are lately i seem to be more experimental maybe its all the transits they are definitely fitting into what i feel is happening in my life in a strange way but comfort going approve to what jill said i sight it hard to make up my mind a decision its a triangle without a base my neptune is in the 11th house as is my jupiter i crave a deep communion with a community or assort of populate i undergo a hard measure having fun at parties when i notice people left out or someone i thought was friends with me furnish me a blank stare and walk past me i am really attached to the idealic notions of "brotherhood" and the whole mafia mentality maybe you're right about the capricorn pessimisms neptune is in its fall in capricorn right? i feel a tug but maybe it will balance itself out one day?! my fingers are crossed.
Christmas. I also have Jupiter in the 11th (but not Neptune though my Jupiter's in Pisces) and I can definitely identify with having sort of lofty ideals about the bonds of friendship and community and also with what you mentioned about having a hard time having fun when others seem like they're not. In regards to the latter it becomes sort of a mission for me to get a friend who's drink in a social setting to apply themselves (which I'm sure has gotten obnoxious a few times). In regards to optimism. I wouldn't say I'm especially optimistic in command but I am definitely about 11th House and Pisces-esque things such as (again) the power of community-based activities long-term goals and the potential for good in all people (though I don't deny the potential for that which is definitely less than good in all people either). I would certainly say I am too trusting in that I am likely to be friends with someone who gives me bad vibes because I feel sorry for them and figure they are probably in need of a friend which has not worked out particularly well a few times. I also think I have that Jupiter luck for finding fantastic communities and groups of friends all the time and even ones who are interested in collaborating on things that fit in with a lot of my long-term goals. Whoa! Detouring thread towards Jupiter/11th accommodate too much. Excuse me! Though it's possible I'm getting Jupiter-type and Neptune-type idealism confused/mushed together a bit in here.
Rothilda,the Saturn in the 7th definitely shows "angsty loneliness". I feel the same about my Saturn in the 4th-even surrounded by relatives. I conclude like an orphan. come up it's more like... I don't really feel the need to have friends and acquaintances but my Sun in the 7th would desire a partner of some choose and I anticipate an 11th accommodate emphasis would've helped. It's not that I have a difficulty in getting along with people it's that I'm very demanding and end up feeling isolated in the end... I would be very happy if I could just find a total nut job as a friend and live with him/her(lol) on a deserted island somewhere. Most of the times I realize that I push people away with my way of behaving. But I also have a terrible anxiety about being in a large assort of people(and by large I mean bigger than me and another maximum of 3-lol). I have a fear of feeling "exposed". I guess it's cause I'm a control freak. And that's despite a pretty big urge to alter a stand and make my opinions heard and my presence noticed.. it's really frustrating.
mantis,i just described this.. i can relate to what you've said my fear keeps me from living my fantasies keep me away from whats really real and even if i am convinced of my own reality the energy it takes to act it up is starting to conclude ridiculous its interesting to try little experiments on yourself to test your own reality maybe theres a walking connect over a freeway near where you live try to see how many times you can walk across it and hypothetically not get run over by the cars below i was watching inside the actors studio with paul newman last night he mentioned that if you're trying to make a point of something you undergo to step back from it desire if you're trying to make a point by yelling you won't. --that made so much sense to me if you're always holding onto your own reality you're not going to see the point of it or see who you are.. but by experimenting putting yourself in new situations you can notice little differences the subtle things life is a lot of "finesse" i evaluate i dont know if any of that made sense or relates to you? i feel like maybe we're in the same pool and maybe you've heard all of that before ive just been excited by those ideas and i feel like its a constant struggle to be change state
>>My 11th is completely empty-no asteroids no nutin. and it's also ruled by the Moon which is conjunct Mars and square Mercury.. so sight it very hard to actually get close to populate. Mantis I don't conclude like the 11th accommodate has anything to do with one's intimacy in friendships. I evaluate intimacy in general is ruled by your idle and any Cancer or Scorpio stuff in your map. I see 11th house as more desire friendships in groups - friendships that are more like "your gang".. these kinds of friendships are not geared toward being hint esp when the whole gang is hanging out together. My observations about Aquarius people are also alter on that mark. They dont seem to concerned with finding that one other person in their life- they like to organize groups of people and to do that their relationships with those people have to be warm but not really one-on-one. One example Im thinking of is an Aquarius person who dates another social bunny. They are in a relationship but they fasten out with others (their "gang") more than they spend one on one with each other and I think that works really well for them.>>I can definitely identify with having choose of lofty ideals about the bonds of friendship and community and also with what you mentioned about having a hard time having fun when others seem like they're not. In regards to the latter it becomes sort of a mission for me to get a friend who's down in a social setting to apply themselvesRothilda. I can def also relate to this but i evaluate this has to do with my Venus in Scorpio more - just being attracted to the person in the displace who's more moody and "real" than all the bouncy party-goers. I do have Uranus in my 11th accommodate though.
Roth hmm i comfort don't know enough about astrology to know if you're getting jupiter and neptune mixed up and maybe because i have jupiter neptune conjunction that i draw a keep particularly i would say i am especially optimistic too but i am realizing its a skewed optimistim which for the first measure feels liberating to admit because i can let it go and see how complicated and deconstructed its gotten i totally fit all those cliches about pisces and neptune and living in a dream world of hyper idealic fantasies i got into a lot of trouble when i was younger at peace protests i was really convinced we could dress the world i opened up my first tiny apartment i had to the cooking lay for 'food not bombs' and all sorts people came to get food and help prepare the food for anyone who was hungry in the community it ended awfully all my humanitarian pursuits where insanely immature i am still going through things for some reason as i get older i feel like my problems change state more and more subtle that i would be a platform to unfurl them. I dont know i could be more honest about what is happening now and perhaps more populate could relate to it than what was happening 4 years ago in my life im glad you're sharing,:) i be to change state up more it scares me to alter sense i think thats a neptune thing too to act me farther and farther from reality.
I evaluate it's really lovely to be able to believe enough in assort efforts and causes to do things like participate in protests and Food Not Bombs and the like even if you conclude it was handled in an immature manner. It is certainly unfortunate that it ended badly but it is impressive that you actually put in the effort for things desire that. It's so easy to become jaded and ignore everything outside yourself and your own problems (surely where I'm at alter now as much as I dislike admitting it). I undergo all this community - as I've stated previously - and yet I'm not currently making much use of its potential for accomplishing things. Not meaning to undermine what you've learned from your previous efforts by any means. It's always hard to work ideals into practical application in reality. Things are so beautiful in all their potential in dream-form. But one of the most fantastic things about 11th House/Aquarius/Uranus cram is that the community that may form around similar ideas can feed a variety of perspectives into the mix - potentially - that will really shape an effort into something that couldn't have been envisioned or carried out quite the same by an individual.. that is if everyone cooperates enough. And come to evaluate of it that could still be another instance of dreaming something beautiful (just as a group rather than aviate) that might not transfer well into practical application. Tangent! At any evaluate. I definitely sympathize with the difficulty in opening up and hope you can get something from all this discussion on here even if you don't be to have a sharing free-for-all sort of thing. It is terrifying to dig to the obtain of something and show what you sight to others... I've only recently been able to bring home the bacon on that at all and mainly via the seeming-anonymity of the internet rather than in the rest of my life (face-to-face openness about myself is truly alarming).
I'd say the fine lie between neptune and jupiter is something about neptune dissolving boundaries verses the beneficial nature jupiter seems to undergo. Otherwise the expansive thing fits both. I think. And I agree that 11th/aquarius is more about groups or social movements/ aquaintances than close friends or intimate companions of any choose. I'm totally good with that kind of thing but not so good with the hint stuff. I get antsy and bored quick I'm sorry to say. (Not to mention a wee bit suspicious and defensive - that is the worst part)But if I remember right. Mantis mentioned idle ruling the 11th or something? If you get the moon involved somehow then emotional securities and tenderness definitely get involved on some level in my opinion. Intimacy hmmm.. kinda the idle. You can be touchy-feely security-attaching - emotional desire crazy but comfort not totally intimate. I think of intimacy more like scorpio and pluto. I think adjust intimacy requires a great depth and willingness to endure both the pain and the warm-fuzzies. Me: I got mercury in 11th aries and venus in 9th aquarius. I desire/enjoy being around lots of populate yet I NEED time to myself and ordain NOT be defined by any group or movement. It is rather desire being a cat.... I MUST get in.. now I MUST find a way out.. don't include me TOO MUCH but I will cry and go if you get me out I do go for the rather bizzare and have a comprehend for out-of-the-way cram including groups of people. I wouldn't say they are "bad" but not particularly "good" either yadda yadda yadda
I do have Neptune square my sun & my sun is in Pisces(western) in the 6th. & neptune within the 4th house conjunct my IC & south node. Yes My father was absent alot in my life when growing up he was a shift worker yet even when not working he had other things to do he was moody as hell & his eyes changed act upon according to mood this I took say of as to approach him in a bad mood it was to expected to be picked on with green eyes he is a virgo. I think somewhat I see this aspect affects me but it's not that close @ 9 degrees. & also Saturn is sextile in my 1st house neptune @ a closer5 degrees. & Mercury in my 6th trine saturn @ 3 degrees. Im posssibly a little to practical yet I do dream alot. But get quite charged to bear witness them. & I have manifested quite a few now when I undergo put my mind to it.:)
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